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post-mccain public life. to outsiders, it wouldn't be that surprising if she was operating a rogue operation on facebook to ensure team sarah remained whole and that she had positive feedback on facebook. >> alex, thanks for joining us. >> thanks, lawrence. you can have the last word online at our blog. you can follow us on facebook and follow me at lawrence on twitter. "the rachel maddow show" is up next live from lawrence, kansas. [ inaudible ] [ cheers and applause ] lawrence, kansas, is beautiful. we are broadcasting from the free state brewing company in
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lawrence. before we get to the subject of our show's little reporting from kansas this week, something quite remarkable is happening just two states over and one state up from here in wisconsin. republicans in wisconsin threw the first punch this month in what they hoped would become a national fight. looks like it is turning into a national fight, and it looks like it is a national fight the republicans may be losing everywhere. [ cheers and applause ] >> not only do they want that, we have confirmation they had been planning on that. we have that confirmation because we have heard them freely admit it while talking amongst themselves, or at least amongst people they thought were themselves. here is wisconsin republican governor scott walker talking to a man he thinks is his billionaire corporate ben factor, david koch.
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the governor talking about how he thinks that he has started a right wing revolution in state politics. listen. >> i talked to kasich every day. john has to stand firm in ohio. i think we do the same with rick scott in florida. i think snyder if he got a little more support, probably could do that in michigan. you start going down the list, a lot of us, a lot of us new governors got elected to do something big. >> you're the first domino. >> yep. this is our moment. >> this is our moment. oh, self esteem, not a problem for governor walker, even if he does have problem screening his phone calls. again, the man that wisconsin governor scott walker thinks he is speaking to there is david koch, a billionaire conservative that made his money the old fashioned billionaire conservative way. he inherited an oil and chemical company from his dad. an oil and chemical company that happens to be based near here in wichita, kansas.
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[ booing ] >> interstate rivalry, i did not know. the voice on the other end was however not david koch. it was a prank call. more on that in a moment. what's important here is what scott walker was saying to this guy he thought was a billionaire was how all the other states, all the other states are going to follow in his scott walker footsteps, because he is doing the big great thing in wisconsin in taking on and taking apart the unions. not only is that starting to not work out for the governor in wisconsin, it is also not working out in the other states he mentioned so excitedly. you heard him mention his pal rick snyder from michigan. governor snyder is facing police and firefighters protesting in lansing. that's michigan. in ohio, things are yet unresolved.
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no matter how often governor walker says he is talking to governor kasich in ohio, things aren't going the republicans' way there either. republicans are caving on key portions of their union stripping bill and protests against it are still growing. [ cheers and applause ] >> in florida, also mentioned by scott walker as a place that would follow in his big scott walker footsteps, that is seeming more and more unlikely. these very, very tea party republican governor scott came out in support of bargaining rights, even for public employees. they started this fight. wanted it in all these states across the country, and they're getting it. and it's really not working out all that well for them. republican legislators in indiana, reports to withdraw their union stripping bill after pressure mounted from protesters and from democratic legislators who fled the state. the strategy in wisconsin, republican approach to the fight
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was essentially to hunker down and wait it out as long as possible. right? that is the type of strategy you employ not only if you think you're right, but if you think you have the public on your side. let things drag out so people can see how wrong your opponents are. that was the republican strategy for wisconsin. they weren't going to budge. they were going to dig in, not compromise. wanted to wait, wait, wait, let things drag out as long as possible. here is the problem with that strategy. what we know from recent political experience is that sometimes when protests go on for a really long time, people start to associate the thing that is being protested with the chaos and division and disruption that comes from big sustained protests. december of 2009, when the house reform battle was going on. remember the summer of the screaming town halls? the impression it had on most of the country, on people that weren't prone to go out and yell about anything, was that there
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must be something wrong with the healthcare reform bill. whenever i hear about it, people are screaming. it is divisive, makes people hate each other. makes me have a bad feeling, even if i don't know why. how about we talk about the policy merits of the debate. the screams probably served to weaken support for healthcare reform. it went on for a long time, became divisive and loud. same idea in wisconsin. republicans are the ones dragging it out. you don't necessarily have to sympathize with the protesters. if people are protesting against something for a long period of time, making a big ruckus about it, then that thing is likely to become less popular. holding out as long as you can strategy by the republicans is not working. this is a new gallup poll that came out yesterday. americans were asked if they wanted their state to take up a bill similar to the one in
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wisconsin. 61% of americans say no. [ cheers and applause ] >> 61%. the republicans thought they were going to win this one. look at this. 61%. the numbers are even worse when you break it down. among democrats, 78% oppose stripping state employees of rights. among independents, 62% oppose what's happening in wisconsin. even among republicans, they do have the majority on their side, but it is only a bare majority. what's happening in wisconsin only supported by bare majority of 54% of republicans. so sure. okay. republicans mildly like this. but for everybody else in the country, it is dramatically unpopular. republicans have misjudged whether or not people are going to agree with them on this. people don't really agree with you guys on this. maybe it works for your base, but overall as an issue, it is not working. all of the stretching out is doing is putting the spotlight on what you are doing is unpopular, and gives the
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opportunity for you to make embarrassing mistakes. exhibit a, falling for quite literally the oldest trick in the book, the oldest trick in the book since there have been phones. the prank phone call, really? scott walker heard here laying out his secret plan to trick democrats into returning to the state to talk to him. laying out his secret plan to some guy somebody told him is a billionaire. laying out how he is going to trick democrats into coming back to the state so he can allow republicans to hold their votes. >> legally we believe once they've gone into session, they don't physically have to be there. if they're in session that day and take a recess, the 19 senate republicans could then go into action and they would have a quorum because they started out that way. i'll talk. if they want to yell at me for an hour, i'm used to that. i can deal with that, but i am not negotiating.
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>> bring a baseball bat. >> i have one in my office. >> you will be happy with that. >> got a slugger with my name on it. >> beautiful. >> i got a slugger with my name on it. save that for the next meeting, now that the democrats know what your trick was. mr. walker talked a lot about strategy with fake david koch. >> what we were thinking about the crowds was planting some troublemakers. >> you know, well, the only problem with -- because we thought about that. the problem, my only gut reaction to that would be right now, the lawmakers i talked to have completely had it with them. the public is not really fond of this. >> you know, the only problem with that plan -- it was obviously a big mistake to let this prank call happen in the first place, that's how prank calls work.
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but governor walker said some really damaging stuff in there that now he is going to be forced to answer for for as long as this thing stretches out. you were thinking about planting protesters as troublemakers, you say? >> i am not going to allow one prank phone call to be a distraction from the realities that we have a job to do here. the job is to debate this bill. patrick, you had a question. i heard patrick. i didn't -- what i said is the question was asked, we thought about it in terms of all sorts of options out there. >> all sorts of options out there. this has been a very bad 24 hours for conservatives across the country who are intent on getting their political way by stripping unions. in indiana, one of the state's deputy attorney generals was fired today after he said on twitter that riot police in wisconsin should, quote, use live ammunition against protesters.
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when asked by a reporter for mother jones to clarify that remark, this now former indiana state official said quote, you're damn right i advocate deadly force. atlanta journal constitution reporting that the guns and ammo reference on the right may extend to protests in georgia as well. conservative activists appeared to call for an armed counter protest against union rights in atlanta. governor scott walker got the national fight he wanted in wisconsin, but it does not appear to be a fight that republicans are winning. mr. walker position is so weakened in wisconsin at this point that what he's resorted to is frequently and increasingly hysterically threatening to fire thousands of state employees if he doesn't get what he wants. >> the missing senate democrats must know that their failure to come to work will lead to dire consequences very soon. failure to act on this budget repair bill means at least 1500 state employees will be laid off before the end of june.
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if there's no agreement by july 1st, another 5 to 6,000 state workers, as well as 5 to 6,000 local government employees would also be laid off. >> so this is the political calculus that governor walker earned himself. he is now the guy telling wisconsin he's going to get rid of thousands of jobs in order to do something that is super unpopular. get that on a bumper sticker. in case anybody needed to be reminded of what's happening in wisconsin isn't just about wisconsin, in case anybody needed to be reminded about whose agenda this really is, here is the reminder that governor walker has given the state. a $340,000 ad from the real billionaire and chemical industry brothers from wichita. a nice reminder of whose interest this whole union stripping thing really serves. we have now reached the end of
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day nine of the massive protests in madison, wisconsin. protests that have spread into a number of surrounding states. republicans wanted this. republicans had a plan here to hunker down and wait it out. might be time for them to start thinking about plan b. here the. all the new tech products you need. and they're all looking for the same thing. ♪ the one place that makes technology easy. staples. with highly-trained tech experts and expanded tech centers, staples makes finding the right technology just the way you want it. easy. easy to buy. easy to fix. easy to save. staples. that was easy. the smell of home made chili whatever scents fill your easy tohousehold, to save. purina tidy cats scoop helps neutralize odors in multiple cat homes... keeping your house smelling like it should. purina tidy cats scoop. keep your home smelling like home.
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we are live in lawrence, kansas. i will give you a hint in the meantime, we are not here to interview kansas's governor, sam brownback. we tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and tried. no dice. come on, i have to try to get him to do something. so smile. everybody be nice. we heard from the governor's office essentially no thank you, he said no. had the governor said yes, he and i would have had the chance tonight to discuss the big
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what did he say about civil rights, that civil rights progress made by this democratic president has been made by him overturning the discriminatory policies signed into law by the last democratic president? on the campaign trail in 1992, bill clinton said he wanted to overturn the ban on gay people serving in the military. instead, bill clinton signed don't ask, don't tell, which codified that ban for 17 more years. it is just now in the process of being repealed. he also signed into law the defense of marriage act which makes it illegal for the federal government to recognize same sex marriages, which defines marriages as opposite sex only, and which prevents same sex marriages from being recognized across state lines. so anybody in a same sex couple in another state can't have that marriage recognized in another state. if you're straight and are married in new jersey, you are also married say in kansas. but if you're gay -- [ inaudible ] thanks, president clinton.
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they announced today they would no longer defend that law, no longer defend the defense of marriage act in court. it keeps same sex couples from having rights that are enjoyed by opposite sex couples. when that law is challenged in court, the justice department will no longer defend it and argue that it is constitutional. this seems like -- [ inaudible ] joining us by satellite that gets us connected between lawrence and where he is, law professor from university of pennsylvania. mr. wolff, thanks for your time. >> thank you, rachel, a pleasure. >> what's the decision by the justice department meaning practically in terms of gay rights?
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i know the law doesn't change now, but what do you expect this is going to mean? >> well, the justice department and the president have done two things. first as you described in the intro is about the constitutional challenges to defense of marriage act itself, and they have said that they are no longer going to defend the constitutionality of this discriminatory statute. that by itself is a big deal. but they've done something else which is arguably even more important. the president and the attorney general concluded that in a general matter, anti-gay discrimination is presumptively unconstitutional. when states or governments pass laws, adopt policies that disadvantage gay, lesbian, bisexual americans, that that requires constitutional scrutiny. the first time the u.s. government placed its credibility and its power behind that position. and i think it is going to have
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an impact not just on the doma litigation, but on civil rights litigation around the country. >> what does it mean that the justice department won't defend this law any more, but it is clear, even by the fact it is announced by a letter to speaker boehner, it is clear that congress has the opportunity to defend the law if it wants to. what does that mean? >> well, so the united states made it clear that they're going to stay in this case as a party to the lawsuit. and there are provisions in the law already for congress, the leadership in the house, for example, if they think it is a good idea, to get involved in the lawsuit perhaps to intervene as parties in the lawsuit and to mount their own defense to the lawsuit. the courts are the ones that are going to have to make a final determines about the constitutionality of the statute. it is helpful to the courts to have arguments being made, even if they're bad arguments so that the court can consider them carefully and reject them. but the practical impact of the u.s. government placing its
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prestige behind the proposition that gay people can't be made second class citizens under our constitution is difficult to overstate. i think it is really going to change the tenor and the outcome of pending lawsuits. >> professor wolff, there have been a number of changes on lawsuits. the revision of don't ask don't tell. now this has happened. as somebody who has made his professional life work and somebody who worked on mr. obama's campaign on these issues, do you feel -- i guess do you feel satisfied with what he's done, do you feel satisfied at the pace he is tackling the issues? >> i think there are two things to be said. the first is that barack obama has been president for a little over two years, two years, one month. and the amount he has gotten done in that period of time on gay rights and indeed on many
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issues is breathtaking. it has been a monumental series of achievements, including for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender rights. the second phase is there is more to do. they don't have unemployment protections in the workplace under federal law. same sex couples are still treated unequally under federal immigration laws. there's more work to do. and i think the president realizes there's more work to do. but if you ask me am i happy with the progress so far, i'm pretty darn happy. >> tobias wolff, thanks very much for joining me. >> thanks, rachel. great to be here. we are live in kansas. the people are all beautiful. there's more to the crazy politics than meets the eye. be right back. [ cheers and applause ] ok, allie's spelling bee is monday...
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on our show the last couple nights, our producer, rebekah dryden, has done excellent on air reporting from topeka, last night from wichita. she's a native kansan. she's at the bar and among friends.
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she made the case in our meetings that national coverage of kansas, in particular of culture war politics in kansas has not told the whole story here, not even by a mile. what is not the matter with kansas when we come back.
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100 ways. ♪ everything pops with pringles. i don't know if it will again be the mainstream republican view on abortion, but i do know that historically it was the republican women who were in planned parenthood, and that's why i am very offended as former republican candidate for congress if you will and lifelong republican in kansas that that image of the republican party has been hijacked by some loud mouths who i truly don't think represent the majority of our party. >> do you feel afraid? >> i think the people can be very intimidating. i mean, they are very -- they attack you in a way that kind of makes you wonder if you're driving home, are they following you. >> they thought they won when dr. tiller was assassinated,
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they thought they won. and i hope they haven't won, because that's an awful way. that's an awful way to win a fight, at the hands of a murder. >> welcome back to "the rachel maddow show." we are coming to you live from a bar in lawrence, kansas. right outside the front door, there's a plaque that tells the proud, proud history of this very town, so as to avoid the fire hazard of all of you in the bar trying to go outside at once, a look at it now. we will show you that on the screen. it tells the story of abolitionist john brown and the fight to free the slaves. even when extremists came from missouri to ran sack lawrence, kansas, in 1856. the plaque talks about setting fires in the town.
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now it is probably the last opportunity you will have of seeing a fight, so you had better do your best. now, that is a culture war. this town was made for fighting, by fighters. lawrence was founded -- [ inaudible ] by anti-slavery abolitionists from massachusetts. they rushed here to populate the state in the 1850s so kansas would enter this united states of america thing as a free state. that's why we are in the free state brewery. that's why this bar is on a street called massachusetts, even though we are in the state of kansas. and that's why this cool building down the street is called liberty hall. it is part of why being in
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lawrence, kansas is awesome. it is as incredible as the people are beautiful. pro-slavery extremists, known as the bush whacker, they took such serious office to lawrence that in 1863 they crossed back from missouri again and burned this town down. they burned lawrence, kansas to ashes. set fire to its homes and stores and killed untold hundreds of people. do you know what the forward thinking people of lawrence, kansas did in response to that violence, they buried the dead and built lawrence, kansas all over again.
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[ cheers and applause ] [ inaudible ] lawrence is amazing. kansas is amazing, especially for girls. they elected the first woman mayor in 1887 the next year, filled the council with women. women got the vote in kansas eight years before the 19th amendment. kansas has a lot to be proud of, and kansas has a lot to be on guard about. the precipitating event for this reporting trip to kansas this week happened over a year and a half ago, when a kansas doctor was murdered in wichita. he was assassinated because he provided abortions in his wichita clinic. named george tiller, he was shot and killed inside his church. here is the thing.
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since then, nobody has been able to replace him. there are doctors that would like to, but the same forces that made dr. tiller's life here almost impossible, until they made it actually impossible, those same forces that threatened, embalmed, shot, harassed, stalked, derided, persecuted him for years before someone finally killed him are now after his murder making it impossible for any other doctor to take up his practice in south central kansas. one of those doctors, dr. mila means, has been harassed at her clinic and home when she decided to expand her practice to cover abortion. last month an extremist that did work with kansans for life, it says thousands of people are already looking into your background, not just in wichita but from all over the u.s. they will know your habits and routines. they know where you shop, who your friends are, what you drive, where you live. you will be checking under your car every day, because maybe today is the day somebody places an explosive under it.
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that note was sent last month in january, 2011. abortion is legal. that has been the law of this land since 1973. when congress asked the supreme court nominees about abortion, even the anti-abortion one say social security settled law. abortion is legal in america. why have anti-abortion protesters been clogging the streets of this great state for years now? why have they been so aggressively harassing anyone in kansas that provides abortions, andz÷
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they moved here from someplace else. >> i don't think the climate in wichita has virtually anything to do with the provision of abortion services. it was our experience and trials of dr. tiller that studies we did indicated that it was the abortion protesters that had the highest negatives, not dr. tiller. >> the next time somebody asks you what's the matter with kansas, i am here to tell you that nothing is the matter with kansas. there's nothing the matter with kansas. the man you just saw speaking a moment ago is a life-long conservative, life-long kansan and was the attorney for dr. tiller before his death and for dr. means now. the anti-abortion harassment and violence that has taken place in this state is not an ambient problem in the atmosphere here, not something that is wrong with
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kansas as a whole. it is a crime problem. it is about a specific small radical social movement that has chosen intimidation and violence as a means of getting what they want, and they are winning by doing it. how do we know that the anti-abortion extremists think they are winning? we know it because they are proud to say so themselves. they've been bragging around the country about the abortion free wichita, kansas since dr. tiller was murdered in 2009. this press release from last week. victory, operation rescue successfully thwarts abortion's return to wichita, kansas. again, abortion is legal, and there's nothing wrong with kansas. this is not a kansas problem. that's what the extremists who killed the only abortion provider in kansas say, and they are doing everything they can to hold onto that victory, that's an extremism problem, a national problem. that is not supposed to be the way it works in america.
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not since we gave up on war as a means of settling our differences. not since one side won that war. it was kansas' side that won. not just the doctors and clinic workers that the extremists have been going after, its -- it's the women. there shall be no peanut gallery. he is accused of matching hotel records with redacted medical records subpoenaed from late dr. tiller's offices so he could learn the names of dr. tiller's patients by cross referencing them with hotel records. dr. kline did this as the state's chief law enforcement officer. for women, the message from the government of the state was that if you sought an abortion, you could expect your private medical records to end up getting photocopied at a local kinko's.
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being taken around the state in a tub and then in a staffer's apartment, your medical records. this is the message the government of the state of kansas had for women here. you speak of abortion, your -- you seek an abortion, your private medical records may not only end up in the attorney general's hands, but when he is no longer the attorney general, he will try to mail your medical records to himself when he moves to virginia. we found out about that. we only found out about that because bill kline improperly addressed the big tub of records and they got returned to sender, back to kansas. if you are a woman who seeks an abortion in kansas, you can expect your private medical records to end up being discussed on bill o'reilly's cable television show. bill o'reilly hosting phil kline on his fox news tv show november 3, 2006. mr. o'reilly saying during that appearance that he had in his words an inside source, an
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inside source who had provided him with detailed medical information on individual patients who had received abortions at dr. tiller's clinic, citing specific medical information from specific records on the air, on cable television. that's how kansas is crusading anti-abortion attorney general decided to weigh in, after the rest of the anti-abortion movement had done everything they could to shut down access to something that is supposed to be constitutionally protected. that was the protection afforded by the state. the power of the state being used to accomplish what the anti-abortion movement itself could not. >> it's just a plan virtually of terrorism, and the federal government wouldn't stand for that when it was intimidating people not to vote. and i think we should see what is decent federal cooperation now accelerated into more aggressive federal action to protect the rights of women.
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>> clinic workers on the ground in wichita tell us they do get help from the local police as much as they can expect. in ethics proceedings that started this week, the former attorney general phil kline faces disbarment for the way he treated private medical records, and the power -- the way he treated the power of his office in state government, making state government here an extension of this movement. extension of this movement that has claimed victory by means of violence. kansas is the free state. we are free because we all live under the law, unless and until the law bends by force. kansas, the free state, america owes you better than this. we will be right back. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ maxwell house international. stop your world. ♪ so we can work quickly.
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we are live in beautiful lawrence, kansas tonight. we headed towards to peek a. had we gone there and gone left, we would be in wichita. that's where more than a year and a half ago a doctor that performed abortions was murdered. i came to kansas today because a doctor that used to work with dr. tiller and used to provide abortions in the state but no longer does agreed to tell her side of the story on camera for
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the first time ever to explain what it was like to be targeted by the radical anti-abortion movement and the radical anti-abortion politicians that used the power of the state to do whatever the protesters want. the doctor's name is kristin neuhaus. i spoke with her today somewhere in kansas. >> let's start with trying to get people an understanding about what it was like to be a doctor in kansas providing abortions. can you just explain what your daily life is like when you are doing that, what sort of security measures, for example, you had to take to protect yourself and your patients? >> for one thing, i had a totally underground address, telephone numbers. nobody knew where i actually lived. we had to use rental cars, elaborate security measures, i wore a bulletproof vest a lot of the time. learned to shoot a firearm. kept myself armed at work most of the time. >> while you were actually at the office.
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>> yes. >> and why? why did you have to go to those measures? >> well, because we didn't really get very good enforcement of state laws. there was the option of scott roeder or some other person like that just showing up and it would be up to us to protect the patients. and i felt that that would be the last line of defense in the event of someone breaking into a clinic, which happened regularly in wichita during the period of the summer of mercy. >> i think maybe there is something interesting that this is a phenomenon that happens in working in these high risk environments. for me, i knew what i was getting into and i took precautions in the first place, so i didn't have people at my house. and i think i did enough
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interviews with the newspaper and television to inform people that i supported the second amendment and i was prepared to deal with incursion. so i don't feel that i personally was at risk a lot of the time. you know, i think i got to the point where i was actually in denial about it. one time i had to race the bomb squad in. >> did you beat the bomb squad? >> we hung out, watched them with their dogs and little bell things. >> there wasn't a bomb? >> no. it was a false alarm. >> how did you -- when you say you knew what you were getting into, what do you mean you knew what you were getting into?
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>> you know, i've been in this since the '80s. so i knew the foe, and i watched that evolve from just primarily arson to being more overt violence. i think i just got used to the whole idea of being personally taken out, i guess. or -- i mean, i saw it in terms of -- i guess in terms of a war. and i was willing to fight in that war, and i did for a long time. >> and you knew that when you made the decision that you were going to do it? why did you make the decision to do it? >> i don't know. maybe i'm crazy. i feel it's really important to me. i had a very, very close friend who nearly died from an unintended pregnancy when we were barely out of junior high. i was 14, she was 15.
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i guess that molded the way saw the issue. it was in personal terms. >> did you grow up in kansas? >> mm-hmm. >> are you happy you still live in kansas? >> yeah. why not. >> everybody's nice. not the people screaming at us, but other than the people screaming, everybody's nice. i guess that's the thing to say. >> we are, we're pretty friendly out here. >> describing that, though, i mean, given what you just explained, that you knew, as you said, that it was almost a war. that you were sort of inured to that. you were armed at work when you needed to be, and you were aware of the threats, why did you decide to stop? >> well, i'd been in it a long time and i was financially devastated. i had a lot of, just -- i mean, i had to say at that point at that point i had a lot of
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post-traumatic stress going on, and some other issues. and i felt like i needed a break. >> the former attorney general of the state, phil klein, is right now this week facing state ethics charges for allegedly abusing the powers of his office, in his targeted anti-abortion investigations and prosecutions. as a consulting physician who provided second opinions for some of dr. tiller's patients, you were one of the people who phil klein targeted. what was your experience like of that investigation? did you have medical records subpoenaed? what was your experience with that? >> my involvement with that started in december of 2006 when -- i believe it was a friday evening when -- after dark, i received a knock on my door out in the country. shortly after i had changed my address to an open address.
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an agent who identified himself, i believe as a member of the kbi >> kansas bureau of investigation. >> right, kansas bureau of investigation, appeared at the door. it was dark. i didn't see a car. so i assumed it was, you know, some religious person showing up at my door. and i let him in. and he handed me a subpoena to show up to an inquisition regarding dr. tiller and phil klein. which i did attend the next week. and went through about six hours of interrogation. and there was no judge present, but i was informed that i had no choice but to provide testimony. >> after having been targeted by anti-abortion protesters, and having been targeted by crusading anti-abortion politicians using the power of
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the law, the power of the state, i wonder if you think those two things are related, if you think that the protesters are sort of, i guess emboldened by it. >> absolutely. of course. >> why? >> well, because they feel like they have an ally, and they feel like they can act with impunity, which they have been able to do, to a large extent. >> do you think that kansas could do more to protect providers who have been threatened and intimidated by the movement? >> well, by kansas -- you mean the government? >> law enforcement. >> well, i think, you know, it suffers from the fact that we have a tendency to elect people that don't consider that an important issue here. >> would you ever go back to providing abortions? >> i'd love to say that there would be some day that i would
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be comfortable in the state of kansas, but i don't think we're anywhere near that at this point. i would certainly do it in other states, or other countries. but at the moment, i have no intention of resuming practice here in kansas. >> dr. neuhaus, i knew it was not an easy decision to decide to talk to me about this. and i'm really thankful for your trust and your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> dr. kristen neuhaus has never before talked about this on camera. [ kid ] it was the final play. the big guy broke from the sidelines. and just like that, the goal was no longer the end zone... but the coveted blue bag. fumble! [ male announcer ] with so many real chocolate chips you'll never forget the moments that are crammed with joy, chips ahoy!
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